Migration Amendment (Visa Capping) Bill 2010

[Ahnissi]

Я думаю, если после ассессмента должность менялась, она никого не волнует; ACS оценивает должность и иногда меняет ее (не то что написано в референсах) в зависимости от обязанностей.

Я имею ввиду не то что было после ассесмента, а то что написано в самом ассесменте.

Если разные должности - то когда не MODL писали в скобках после кода, мне не написали (как мне объяснили и так очевидно) - в общем я думаю из опыта засчитанного ACS, кем вы дольше всего работали - тем вы и будете

Я ж говорю, на один и тот же временной промежуток в одной и той же компании разные должности ACS (не я и не рефодатель) перечислили в ассесменте через чёрточку.
В скобках указали Oracle.

По одной из этих должностей (перечисленных в ассесменте через /) я оказываюсь в новом SOL, по другой - нет. Самое интересное, что той должности, по которой я попала в CSL, нет в новом SOL. А та, которая в новом SOL (бизнес-аналитик), отношения к Oracle (и следовательно, к CSL) не имеет. Но ориентируясь только на то, что написано в ассесменте, это понять невозможно. И даже глядя на реф, человек без IT-бэкграунда вряд ли разберётся.

[Ahnissi]

Впереди июнь, и я верю, что всем CSL у кого пройдёна медицина, а уж тем более, оплачен VAC2, дадут визы до конца июня.

Дык мне из ASPC дважды уже популярно объяснили, что до июля мне (и думаю большинству оставшихся в CSL) ловить нечего.

[wot]

Дык мне из ASPC дважды уже популярно объяснили, что до июля мне (и думаю большинству оставшихся в CSL) ловить нечего.

Ahnissi - извини, пропустила, твою историю, почему тебя после прегранта на перепроверку отправили?

[Ahnissi]

Ahnissi - извини, пропустила, твою историю, почему тебя после прегранта на перепроверку отправили?

Это мне (и многим другим CSL-щикам из 2009-2010, судя по статистике здесь и на помсах) так отписали, что отправили на проверки, которые будут длится 2-4 месяца. Это не ASIO, потому что такие отписки дают и британцам.
На самом деле, я почти уверена, никаких проверок там не проводят. Во всяком случае, моему работодателю за всё это время никто не звонил и вряд ли уже позвонит. То же самое и у других ребят в такой же ситуации. По телефону оператор ASPC отвечает, что проблем никаких с заявлением нет, просто нужно ждать июля.
Скорее всего, просто квоты на финансовый год закончились.

[SergYou]

Чувствуется скоро начнут резать хвосты, если уже заговорили об этом. Так всегда было - сначала заговорят, а потом обязательно сделают, не смотря на возмущение народа.

[hazzik]

Ваши бы слова, да Богу в уши.......

1. бога нет.
2. бог - имя нарицательное

[Bob2008]

1. бога нет.
2. бог - имя нарицательное

3. Богу всё равно, что Вы тут написали

З.Ы. У каждого своя вера. Кто-то верит, что Бога нет. Кто-то верит, что Бог есть.

[Бог]

3. Богу всё равно, что Вы тут написали

З.Ы. У каждого своя вера. Кто-то верит, что Бога нет. Кто-то верит, что
Бог есть.

Amen

[hazzik]

3. Богу всё равно, что Вы тут написали

З.Ы. У каждого своя вера. Кто-то верит, что Бога нет. Кто-то верит, что Бог есть.

слово "бог" пишется со строчной буквы.

Как ему может быть все-равно, если его не существует?

[kyp]

С бритишей:

Despite DIAC's best efforts to withold information, some things creep out:

This is talking about suspension of asylum seekers, but it might apply to the thinking about GSM too:

quote:
Mr Metcalfe—I was just going to add that we discussed this with Senator Hanson-Young. There is, in our view, very strong legal advice that we are not under an obligation to immediately process an application.
Ultimately we do have an obligation to process an application. The minister has made it clear that ultimately applications would be considered but there is no compulsion on it happening on day one, on day 10, on day 60 or on day 90. That is the legal underpinning of the policy approach that the government has taken.

Here is Minister Evans trying to hide from the fact that his proposed capping and ceasing will apply to any and all visas:

quote:
Senator BARNETT—Minister, by the end of this financial year you say that we expect migration to have fallen between 230,000 and 250,000. You have indicated that the figure would fall about 20 per cent by 30 June based on recent visa applications and grants. The visa-capping bill came in yesterday. I have not read it in full and you know it better than anyone. I will have a look at it and I am sure it will be considered carefully by the Senate committee. As a preliminary measure, I am asking whether it provides a full discretion to the minister with respect to capping visas generally, not just skilled visas. Will you get a discretion across all visas?
Senator Chris Evans—It is broader. Obviously we will go through this in detail. It is designed effectively to allow us to manage the program and not have the program distorted. The particular circumstance we are addressing at the moment is that we do not have 30,000 cooks out of a skilled program of 100,000. We think the other measures will fix that problem, but we think it is a useful device for a minister to have if they think the program is being distorted. It has broader applicability, and you will get a briefing.
Senator BARNETT—I am sure we will get to the bottom of it. But it gives you discretion with respect to all visas, not just the skilled visas.
Senator Chris Evans—It give us the power to make a regulation to cap. I think that is the best way to describe it.
Senator BARNETT—They seem extraordinarily broad powers at first instance. I am sure we will get to the bottom of it. It is not just skilled visas but across the board.
Senator Chris Evans—Unfortunately I do not have the right officers here to help. I must admit I have not focused on it the last week or two.

[kyp]

Исчо интересного:

Summary from DIAC Exposition on Skilled Migration Changes Sydney 31 May

Key presenters are Peter Speldewinde and Katherine Whitehead.

General Skilled Migration

Overall the framework will be relatively unchanged, ie on 1 July there will be a SOL and a new list of occupations sponsored by the states which will be as broad as the ENSOL but no broader and most likely half way between the old SOL and the new SOL.

There will be no new points test until the end of the year, if at all, and equally no capping and ceasing if at all until then. The use of the capping and ceasing power will be more likely if there is another economic downturn.

Future changes will most likely not be telegraphed - they explained that in before the September 2007 changes there were 32000 offshore applications instead of the usual 6500 - apparently most of them in unwanted occupations. Therefore the suspension of offshore GSM applications on 8 May was to avoid a "spike" in an otherwise bloated program. So best to apply when eligible as DIAC is capable of implementing a freeze without notice, particularly while they've got an oversupply of applications.

The new SOL will have some minor alterations as Skills Australia used the unrevised version of ANZSCO - must have been some red faces over that one, but there will be no substantive changes to the new SOL as published on 17 May.

All pre-September 2007 applications all about to be ceased as announced in February; such applicants, if they have valid skills assessments, are of course entitled to lodge a second application funded by the refunds they will receive.

The cap and cease legislation is still a Bill - that is, an unenacted legislative proposal not yet with the force of law - and while it does sound as though the legislation will be enacted, and implementation will be determined according to occupation, English and age criteria, there was no indication that it would actually be applied to any particular category of existing applications unless there was some sort of economic downturn. No mention at all of cooks and hairdressers today.

Clear that they're going to reduce overall GSM numbers anyway. Apparently the alternative - employer sponsored visas - require less verification because employers want to avoid the sanctions for misfeasance and are subject to other government controls in any event.

Changes to the ENSOL and 457 occupation lists will be direct translations to ANZSCO at this stage with no substantive changes. The Department will issue a "convergence" or "concordance" list confirming ASCO equivalencies.

Pre-July skills assessments will remain valid depending on the convergence/concordance list and relevant eligibility list, eg new SOL or ENSOL.

There will be a revised Ministerial direction concerning the priorities to be applied in General Skilled Migration but no details were provided.


ENS/RSMS.

There is a current ENS/RSMS Review. Issues include English language, market salaries, exceptional circumstances, regional occupation list, Worker Protection Act framework etc. Timing currently not determined. Interesting 457 statistics were presented (being distributed separately) which will apparently inform planned ENS developments as well as future 457 reforms. Looking at sponsor accreditation, registered employment authorities (replacing regional certifying bodies) and training benchmarks (still unresolved - "some way off").


Labour Agreements

Clear now that semi-skilled applicants (ASCO chapters 5-7) are only able to go through Labour Agreements.

DIAC is now generating template industry agreements for the Labour Agreement visas - eg snow industry workers, bilingual tour guides, mining operations, meat industry - for employers to "sign up to". This, and other procedural reforms, should make the process of compliance easier.


State Migration Plans

Plans will specify the occupations and the number for each occupation. DIAC is verifying each state's methodology for determining occupations and numbers. Only occupations on the ENSOL can be on an SMP. And according to Katherine earlier, the ENSOL won't change yet. Says that the SMPs are not the solution to a state having negative demographic growth. Many states have higher language, experience and other requirements than DIAC requirements. Each state will have 100 "off-plan" places (but still no broader than ENSOL). The plans will be four-year rolling plans reviewed annually. Expecting a reasonable amount of stability.

Answering questions Peter Speldewinde suggests that we may one day see the end of GSM for independent (unsponsored) applicants.


ANZSCO Concordance

Confirms that all DIAC systems now going to ANZSCO. Mentions that occupations in ANZSCO Major Groups 1-3 are "skilled". Will post the "convergence/concordance" on their website. Accepting ASCO skills assessments for GSM as long as the occupation is in the new SOL, according to the concordance".

[SeaCat]

Чувствуется скоро начнут резать хвосты, если уже заговорили об этом. Так всегда было - сначала заговорят, а потом обязательно сделают, не смотря на возмущение народа.

Это называется "поиграть в демократию".

Исчо интересного:

Мда... спасибо.

[Ahnissi]

По теме из новостей c помсов в данной ветке:
There will be no new points test until the end of the year, if at all, and equally no capping and ceasing if at all until then.

All pre-September 2007 applications all about to be ceased as announced in February; such applicants, if they have valid skills assessments, are of course entitled to lodge a second application funded by the refunds they will receive.

То есть надо понимать так, что кроме как к досентябрьским 2007, по крайней мере до конца года (надеюсь, они имели ввиду календарный год, а не финансовый) cap&cease применять не собираются.

А также:
on 1 July there will be a SOL and a new list of occupations sponsored by the states which will be as broad as the ENSOL but no broader and most likely half way between the old SOL and the new SOL.

Этого я не поняла, что значит as broad as ENSOL but no broader than old SOL. Тем более что 'ENSOL won't change yet'.

[Smile :)]

All pre-September 2007 applications all about to be ceased as announced in February; such applicants, if they have valid skills assessments, are of course entitled to lodge a second application funded by the refunds they will receive.

Это меня особо насмешило. Щас, все хором уже бегём подаваться заново.

[wot]

Мне тоже интересует вопрос финансового или календарного года?